Lightroom 2 – The Day After FAQ
Lightroom 2 has been out for exactly 1 day now and the upgrade response here on the site yesterday was pretty outstanding. But there were also a lot of comments and questions. So I figured I’d answer as many of them as a I can here:
Will Lightroom 1 presets work with Lightroom 2?
You betcha. When you install Lightroom 2, those presets will automatically come over to the new version. I haven’t come across any of my presets that don’t work in the new version yet.
Will Lightroom 2 work with my Lightroom 1 catalogs?
Yes. When you first install and start Lightroom 2 it will ask you if you’d like to upgrade an existing catalog.
Will my settings, changes, and everything else I’ve done in LR 1 be in Lightroom 2?
Yes, when you upgrade your catalog it’ll take over all of the settings and changes to your photos.
Will Adobe be releasing any of those dot (.1, .2, etc…) updates for Lightroom 2? I haven’t heard any dates or specific plans but if I were a bettin’ man, I’d bet black, 6, 8, the pass line, hard eight, double-down on 11… sorry, I got carried away. What I meant to say is that I’d bet yes – they will release 1 or more dot updates in the future.
Should I wait for an update before purchasing Lightroom 2? I don’t want a Lightroom 1.4 debacle to happen again.I can’t 100% say that you won’t have a problem but I’ll tell you this. I’ve been using the GM version of Lightroom (GM is a term meaning Gold Master which is essentially the shipping version of the software) for about 2 weeks now. Everything has worked fine for me. The sliders as just as responsive as they ever were. I will say that I have noticed using the Adjustment Brush to be a bit processor-heavy but that’s a price I’ll pay to have that kind of control in LR. I’ve adjusted my self to brush fairly slower then I would have in Photoshop. Also, I know brushing on a Mac has always been a bit odd in Photoshop (takes a second for it to render on screen) so maybe it’s the same deal – maybe the PC is very responsive but I haven’t tried it on one yet. Also, I have had one other little glitch in showing and hiding my panels but other people I know running the same version don’t have this so I’m chalking it up to some mix ups with previous betas I’ve had installed. I plan on wiping out all of my Lightroom folders soon and starting from a brand new install again I think that should do it. So, other then the one small glitch, everything is working fine on my end.
Why is Adobe charging so much extra for international customers?
Folks, I’m gonna tell you the honest truth here – I have no idea. Because of what I do, I get to be on the beta testing team for Lightroom. That means I get to see the features and comment on them but mostly after the feature set is locked. From time to time I may actually get to give input on new features for Lightroom but Adobe, in NO way, comes and asks me or anyone I know, “Matt, what should we charge for Lightroom?”. My main job is to train people on Photoshop and Lightroom and because of that, I really have no idea why they’re charging so much more. I have to admit, it sounds odd to me too and I totally feel your pain. I would be ticked as well. Your best course of action is to go to Adobe’s website and either a) email or mail your feedback to them, or b) call them and express your pissed-offness (sorry… anger). That’s what I would do. 🙂
Any other price or purchase or license related questions?
See above. I simply just don’t know.
How does the upgrade / installation of LR2 deal with the two separate catalogues (and photo folder structure) when both LR1 and LR2 beta (Silvertone) are installed on your system?Does it merge them automatically into a new catalogue or does the user have to import them separately?I haven’t tried to import my Lightroom 2 beta catalog yet but I’d guess it imports them just fine. I can definitely tell you it won’t merge catalogs though. You’d have to import each one separately and merge/change your folders after the fact.
In some form or another – Can I install Lightroom on 2 machines?
Yes. Even if one is 64-bit and one is 32-bit, you can install on both.
Matt, you mentioned something about PSD files and the way they automatically got created in version 1. Where can I find these PSD files and delete them?See this link from a previous video I created.
Why don’t my PSD files appear back in Lightroom when I work on them in Photoshop?
That’s actually one of the new features. Lightroom 2 doesn’t save the PSD file right away anymore. You’ve got to hit File > Save in Photoshop to save the file so it appears back in Lightroom.
I’m a NAPP member. Where is the discount code?
Here’s the link to the NAPP member website software discount page. You’ll find it about halfway down. I just tried it and it saved $44 bucks on the full $299 version.
When I was watching your “Lightroom 2 in Depth ” tutorial CD pack, I noticed that in your lessons about the Adjustment Brush you show adjustments for “Soft Skin”
but in my Lightroon 2.6 that option is missing.
My operation system is Windows XP, could that be the reason?!? Please tell me how I can aquire the missing option.
Love your tutorials.
I’ve got a dual-boot WinXP 32-bit and Vista 64-bit machine, and Lr 2 is installed on both. They each have their own catalogs, but I have just one copy of all my photos. Can I point the 64-bit Lr 2 installation to the 32-bit Lr 2 catalog folder so I don’t lose changes made in either environment? In other words, are the catalogs binary-compatible between 32-bit and 64-bit Lightrooms?
Matt- first of all wanted to say what a fantastic blog you have the tips, and presets are awesome. I share the frustration of others who have commented on the pricing politics of Adobe and realize this is not the role of your blog (although the marketing folk at Adobe are surely reading it!). For readers wanting to vent their anger at pricing you should perhaps head over to the Adobe forum and join the thread of angry customers: http://www.adobeforums.com/webx/.59b5f71e/
Same problem here as many others, photos edited and saved in Photoshop don’t appear in Lightroom.
The PSD bug clarified (from my bug report to Adobe):
1. LR (English) in grid view, right-click on image, choose “edit in Photoshop CS3” (English)
2. Edit image
3. Save image in PS and close it
Result: The PSD file is stored in the same folder than the original unedited DNG file, thats as it should be. BUT: the image shows up in the catalog, but in the folder panel the folder is now duplicated and even the drive (F: in my case) is duplicated! There are two folders now with the same name and two F: drives show up. If you right click on the image and choose “show in Explorer” there is only ONE PSD file and only one folder too.
Expected results: Image should show up next to the original file in grid view and be stacked. No duplicate folder and drive in the folders panel
On my MacBook Pro 10.5 this works perfectly as it should.
Very strange. I hope Adobe will correct that soon. It’s very time consuming always to manually synchronize the folder.
Sorry, Matt, but the PSD issue is not a “new feature in LR2”. It’s just a very annoying bug.
I also have to manually synchronize the folder for the PSDs to show up. A very time consuming and manual process.
Note: Works perfect on my MacBook Pro 10.5, but bug on Win Vista Ultimate.
I find the edit in Photoshop is working such as this: (WIN)
Edit in PS3, save. (TIFF)
Shows up in catalog/collection, retains rank but not flag and is not stacked. Normally I have the collection filtered to Flags and a certain rank. So I unfilter the Flag option, the file is there next to the CR2, pick it and refilter. I don’t think it is stacked though.
Martin Evenings LR2 book indicates the Stack w/Original dialogue is still present but I do not see it in preferences, and I don’t get any dialogue when I click edit in PS3 to select it as he indicates.
not a gripe at you but Adobe! Just to add salt to the wounds for us international customers – not only do we have to pay more, but the Napp discount is not valid either 🙁
I am looking forward to upgrading sometime soon despite this but Adobe are not making any friends internatonally.
I still love this site, keep up the good work,
There is an issue with the edit in photoshop option. You do have to sync the folder afterwards. It seems as if LR2 is built for Vista x64 on a quad core system because I have had a improvement in performance compared to LR1.4. Despite what others have said.
On a 64bit quad system with only 2GB of DDR3 I’m running much faster. I have my catalog with over 20,000 DNG photos in it. From time to time I’ve noticed when browsing through all the photos in grid view it can lag from time to time but thats just do to the large files. Launching LR2 is much faster, LR1.4 always took a few min for me and LR2 is pretty instant.
Between the 64bit support and Dual Monitor support the upgrade was worth it. The masking brush and gradient tools are nice touches but not the key features. I’m still waiting for internal HDR and Pano Stitching support.
I have yet to test if I can now load gigapixel photos into lightroom. Previously in LR1.4 there was a resolution limit. Will see if thats the case in LR2
I was just wondering if anybody knew about the editing in external applications issue? I have seen several people mention it, but nobody has responded to it yet. This is directly from Adobe – “Tighter integration with Adobe Photoshop
Open photos from Lightroom in Photoshop more quickly and as a Smart Object. Merge multiple photos to panorama, merge multiple high dynamic range (HDR) photos, or open multiple photos as one layered file in Photoshop. When you return to Lightroom, edited images are automatically added to the catalog. See Edit photos in Photoshop.” They say in the release notes that when you return the edited images will be there, but they aren’t. Even if I do as you say and go save it first, they don’t show up in LR. I either have to import them, or resynch the folder to get them to come in. It would be nice to know if they are working on this, if not how can we let them know?
Regarding the “Should I wait for an update before purchasing Lightroom 2? I dont want a Lightroom 1.4 debacle to happen again.” question —
One thing I’m not seeing mentioned in a lot of the blog posts is how cripplingly-slow the slider response is. There are dozens of forum posts out there of people having the same issue I’m having: sliders are very slow to move, tend to “stick,” and Lightroom takes a longer time to update the image when you develop it.
I’m regretting moving to LR2 because the issue has pretty much ruined my workflow and makes developing take a LOT longer than it used to. I no longer have the freedom to “play it by eye” when developing because it takes too long for the program to update the image and reflect the changes. Rather, I’m forced to use my keyboard for developing, which is considerably less-than-ideal.
I don’t know if it’s happening to everyone, but it’s apparently happening to enough people for it to be an issue. As soon as I’m done developing my current project (deadline tomorrow), I’m converting my remaining few NEFs to DNG and going back to 1.4 until they fix the sluggishness issue. Localized adjustments aren’t worth the headache of a crippled workflow.
p.s. I’m using XP on a pretty high-end machine, so it’s not a hardware issue. Nor is it a drive issue, as I freshly defragged *and* re-optimized my LR catalogs. Still no dice.
I have been working through LR 2 and for the most part it is good stuff. However, I don’t see an archiving too such as that found in PSE. What am I missing?. Stephen
I have a question regarding the new Volume Management in Lightroom 2.
Is it actually possible to work on images in Lightroom without having all the hard drives with the original RAW files connected?
I still get the export dialog whenever I ?E any rawfile in LR.
And, a PSD is still created and saved even if I dont save the file in PS.
would you happend to know why?
I bought the upgrad to LR2 on day one, and love the new feature of the adjustment brush. I was disappointed however, that my previously loaded User presets didn’t trasnfer over the LR2 from LR1.4. The other problem I seem to be having is opening files in CS3 from Lightroom. When I click on ‘Open in Photoshop CS3’, nothing happens. If I click and drag the image (with Presets applied) into CS3 or ACR 4.5, the presets disappear and I am presented with the raw untouched file. Has anyone ese experienced this? The only way I can open files with presets applied now is to go to Export the files. I am running LR on an Intel based iMac with 2GB Ram.
Help!!! I am a professional photograher and I have 30 images in one order to complete with lots of presets and this is driving me crazy.
yes I have upgraded for the following reasons.
It supports dual monitors, can perform local adjustments and I have the option of using a 64 bit os for increased memory & performance.
Have only used it briefly but I would say that there has been some major changes in the backgound algorithms as it seems to be easier to obtain good results quicker, although the actual processing time can be slow.
Have pre ordered Scots new book on LR2 and will be watching the videos on the kelby traing site to get upto speed on this product.
Matt – I’d like to run my strategy by you and then see if you have any tips for a unique setup.
I have a MacBook Pro with Bootcamp running Tiger & Vista. Since Adobe allows 2 installs (not running concurently) and Lightroom is multiplatform, my plan is to install my LR 2.0 on both the Mac & Windows partition. Maybe my searches aren’t worded right, but I’m surprised I’m not finding others on the net doing the same thing. So:
– 1 Catalog stored on a FAT32 USB drive should work, right?
– Based on running the trial version this way, I’m having trouble keeping the catalog mapped to the right spot when I change O/S. Any tips?
– What about presets – I thought that the option to save presents with the catalog would be the answer, but it doesn’t seem to work as expected. Any tips?
You’re awesome…. thanks for all that you do!
In your tutorial you promote converting to DNG. I need to import the DNG photos, once “finished” in Lightroom, to iPhoto so that I can view them on my AppleTV. Problem is, the edits, which show correctly in LR don’t get brought across to iPhoto. Is there something I’m missing?
Thanks for your great sense of humor. This is my first time writing to you. I’m writing from Brazil. I love Lightroom and it’s a great help to me and really a big step forward for photographers. My question is… I have over 500 DVDs with my pictures backed up. I don’t like keeping them on Hard Drives. Is there a way I can easily catalog my DVDs in Lightroom so that I can search for a picture and know on witch DVD it is. For example, I search for photo file numer 1234.CR2 or name and it tells me it’s on DVD number 135.
I’ve used a program called InsideCAT to help me catalog my pictures. It reads my DVDs automatically and catalogs all the files in them. So when I search for a file it tells me on witch DVD it is.
Lightroom 2 is GREAT!
I love all the new features.
However, same as Jack above, I’m finding that the local correction adjustment brush rendering and processing maybe unbearable.
I’m running under Windows with a 2.8 dual core Intel processor with 4Gigs RAM.
If you install the camera profiles then the appropriate ones for your camera (according to the image) will be shown in the profile selector. Nikon and Canon have the same standard list but there are some specific D2X profiles as well. You basically have to play with it to figure out which one you like the best. We have a video on this at http://CameraDojo.com right now.
I was all excited about the new feature where LR won’t create the .psd files until after they are saved through Photoshop. I can’t express how many times I used to edit in Photoshop, realized I couldn’t do what i wanted and then be left with a bunch of .PSD files to cleanup.
However, I’m having the same problem as those above. After saving in Photoshop, I’m not seeing the .PSD version in my LR catalog. I have to manually go and import it. A little annoying so say the least.
Just in case anyone else uses a ” in their file naming, although Lightroom 1 had no issues with it, Lightroom 2 doesn’t like it! Found this out the hard way when attempting to import Catalog after upgrading – Lightroom 2 claimed the photos weren’t there. Hope this saaaaaves others troubleshooting effort.
Great stuff as always Matt. I like how LR2 kept the things we liked (interface, folders, etc.) and just improved on areas that were talked about (here especially). I have been using it for two days and I am happy with the results.
I was hoping the LR 2 production version would have improved the speed. I upgraded last night and was unhappy with the response. While the upgrade went smoothly, the use of the brush for isolated work is so slow it almost renders the feature useless. Using my Wacom tablet is even worse than the mouse. It takes the computer almost a minute to catch up with displaying multiple brush strokes. While my computer is 1.5 years old, it uses a fast dual-core Intel processor (Windows XP) and has 3GB of RAM. Any suggestions for tweeking the application? Do I need to look at graphics card?
There’s already a big problem with Photoshop integration on Win XP.
The “Edit in Photoshop CS3” and “Open as a smart object” commands do launch Photoshop,but after that an “Open as” dialog box pops up,instead of the image loaded in.All this happening with ACR 4.5 being installed.
Lots of people on Lightroom forums experiencing the same issue.
Hope that Adobe is aware of this problem and going to fix this bug as soon as.
Agree with the prices, finally gave in to the temptation and bought it….. arrrgh, am not thinking about it….
Another cool feature that i noticed was the Graduated filter effect that we can use for blown out skies…… why are they making me more lazy 🙂
Crap international prices. In Austria the full version costs more than $400 ! That’s insane!
The pricing is ridiculous, agreed. The upgrade is $99 on Amazon, which comes to about 66 euros. The price in a local (low-end!) store is 125e.
Thats double price. Insanity. Or greed. Take your pick.
Thanks for this interesting post. I just ordered the upgrade (in Germay for about 120 Euros (180 US$) including taxes. that really sucks!) and I am looking forward to trying it out.
Your website is wonderful for Lightroom users.
And I just ordered your PS Layers book. Looking forward to reading that one.
I agree with james above. I too was glad to see you addressed the international pricing issue rather than glibly passing it off. Yes they do it because they can but don’t they know what a bad taste it leaves in consumers mouths. I teach photography and I study the teaching of photography in higher education and I am well aware that most students find the pricing of PS products very high even at student prices. I certainly advise them of the pricing issues and what other products are available. The school has recently opted for Aperture. As someone said, do something good for a customer and they tell 3 people do something bad and they tell 3000!
Thanks for the comment on the pricing, I know you have nothing to do with it, but thought you may mention it to the big wigs at adobe. If the comment comes from me it only carries so much weight, if it comes from you however, (“I have a whole lot of pissed off commenters about international prices”) it carries more weight.
I think the answer to pricing is “because they can”
I’d love to upgrade – but it is impossible to give Adobe my money! I live and work in the Philippines and have credit cards from the UK, HK and Philippines and Adobe just will not accept them.
It’s really frustrating as I have Lightroom V1 which I love and have heard great things about V2 which I have downloaded as a trial. Why can’t they realize that most other companies will accept my money? Why not them?
I was messing around with the exposure brush tonight and I had one of those pictures you take in a side mirror as you are driving in a car. Well, I had the lens on the camera basically a black circle ( way underexposed ) When I changed the exposure brush to positive and just clicked once, it not only adds exposure brightness to the spot, but also a tail beam of light throughout the rest of the picture at the correct angle! I didn’t notice this in the beta and thought this was a really cool function. Correct me if I’m wrong, but this hasn’t been in previous versions?
I also installed day 1. Only problem was a slide show I did tonight on my two African Safari’s did not copy over as my collection in the same order!! and I could not go back. What a mess. Luckily I already exported it to my laptop, or I would have been in trouble. I find the export function difficult since it wants to rename everything. Sometimes, you just want an exact copy to be in 2 places.
Is it true that even in 2.0 we *still* don’t have the ability to adjust cropping while viewing 1:1? If so, has anyone from Adobe ever explained why this is such an issue to implement?
any one got any tips for me?
Everytime I try and do anything with the selection brush LR2 freezes and doesn’t recover. Any ideas?
I have pentium 4 with 2GB of Ram. Windows XP
Why is lightroom 2 still using ACR 4.4 when I import pictures?+
Hi there! Love checking in and gathering tips, seeing what’s on other people’s minds etc..,.
One question regarding the slideshow module – Will it be possible in LR2 to produce a slideshow with music and export,save, load onto website etc slideshows with the music and timing controls / settings intact? Most disconcerting when I do a slideshow to show clients that they then ask to for a copy, put on their proof site etc and I have to – at best – rebuild it in a different program usually with a lot more fuss. I very quickly did a fabulous slideshow in LR discovered that the exported PDF ignores all timing and won’t include selected music. Tried to recreate it using imovie, idvd,powerpoint etc but ran out of time to complete and the client was understandably disappointed.
Seems a bit silly to have all the controls over the look, titles, slide duration format etc and then only be able to see it / utilize it in Lightroom while a client is sitting beside me in the studio.
Then again maybe it is me and I’m missing something in the setup!?!? Any info or insight into this would be great!
Looking forward to diving into version 2 for sure! Keep the tips and tutorials coming and have a great week!
@Robert W Anderson / post #3
I was asking myself the same. After backing-up all the stuff, I deinstalled my LR 1.4 release (talking about winXP) and everthing in LR 2 works fine.
Additionaly I safed my catalogue under LR2 in a new folder and deleted the old LR1-ones just in case backing-up the catalogue from old LR1 backups might cause any trouble with LR2.
I’m having the same problem as Thomas, i.e., with external editing. When I hit File > Save or File > Save As in PS it doesnt import the PSD back into LR, although the files are saved to the same folder as my DNG files. So I have the same question as Thomas — is there some setting I need to adjust in LR or PS? Ive looked in the preferences and the catalog settings in LR and dont see anything related to it.
Thanks for you tips,
Can we now work with the same catalog file over net (multi-user)?
Nice Matt. Good answers. SO far the transition seems to be really good. Catalogs are having no problems, presets working great etc. I still find the brushes to be a bit slow and awkward!
I anted to let you all know that the NAPP member discount also works for the upgrade… 15% off.
Roger: just import those catalogs into one location.
To the question about the LR2 Beta catalog import:
The process is really quite smooth. I ended up importing my 1.4 catalog first (no issues as it upgraded it as part of the initial startup), and then converting the beta catalog to a new location, followed by an import into LR2. All of the previous changes I had made to the files were there.
Some notes: You can’t have the beta and the final version open at the same time for comparison. While there are steps to convert and import, it almost seemed easier (and more successful) when converting first (using a new filename) and then importing. The catalog for the Beta is located in a folder labeled “Silvertone”. Once completed, you should be able to safely uninstall previous versions (considering that the catalogs are stored in other locations).
I’m still seeing the occasional bug, mostly related to screen refresh, CPU/memory usage when doing touch-ups, and a couple other minor issues. But overall, I am very pleased with Adobe’s final offering.
Thanks so much Matt for the great info.
Is there any way to merge LR catalogues? Mine are all over the place and I’m finding “unavailable” photos increasingly showing up on my screens. Would love to simplify into one usable catalogue plus the back-up.
Hi Matt. Thank you SO much for all the great info. I have been watching the videos on the NAPP website and they have been very informative. One question – Can you use multiple files when creating a picture package (for example, 2 different 5×7 photos on one sheet)?
Matt, can you comment on the new camera profiles. I have a D300 and wondering which one to use (hopefully only one as I like to keep it simple for a preset). Thanks.
Thanks for this. I bought LR2 upgrade yesterday at a horrendous international price. One thing that does not seem to work for me is Color Space settings in the export. If I set it to Adobe RGB, Photoshop recognizes the files as ProPhoto. Strange.
Quote: call them and express your pissed-offness
well, Adobe makes sure that at least Swiss customers (who are charged 160% of the US price) don’t do that by giving an invalid phone-number.
Okay, maybe I’m just having “user headspace errors” but… did something happen to the keywords in 2.0? Under 1.4 when I typed a couple of letters LR would auto-complete or drop down a alphabetical list of keywords. Did this get replaced by the “Keyword Suggestions” pane or is it just off by default and I’m not smart enough to figure to how to turn it on?
I really hope it’s not gone ’cause I was (notice the past tense) keywording speed freak with it.
Thanks so much for your dedication & willingness to share!!!!
an earlier post….let me get this correct
most of my files are in LR1.4 So it makes sense to install LR2 from within LR1.4
my 2 beta program would then be considered a seperate catolog…so I could then import as a new catolog or would each file need to be re-entered seperatly?Don’t want two catologs
And my missing files(in red) would still show up as missing in LR2(still able to view virtual images in LR2…of those missing images )…for some strange reason LR2 would not just ignore them & could never be found? or not able to see virtaul images again?
I read in today’s post about external editing and have tested this and when I hit File > Save or File > Save As in PS it doesn’t import the PSD back into LR, although the files are saved to the folder with all the RAW & XMP files, which is convenient. Is there some setting I need to adjust in LR or PS? I’ve looked in the preferences and the catalog settings in LR and don’t see anything related to it.
I do love that Adobe added controls over dpi sizing and that I can edit in PS from the RAW file rather than it creating the PSD first.
As always, excellent! One thing: Now that I have upgraded to V. 2, can I safely uninstall all previous versions of 1.@ and 2 Beta?
Great FAQ. I cleaned out a bunch of PSD files as well. I used the metadata browser to show only the PSD files then quickly went through them (some PSD files I wanted to keep) and hit the X for each file I had in my library either by mistake or forgotten about. Once that little exercise was done I simply hit comd-delete and tossed all the files in the trash. Freed up space on my MacBook = 2 gigs. Well worth the effort.
As I mentioned yesterday the NAPP discount saved me 14 bucks on the upgrade direct from Adobe online from here in Canada.
Thanks for a great blog about LightRoom. I have a panel full of your presets and use them a lot ! I’m glad to hear that they will come over the LR2 with no intervention required from me.
Thanks for acknowledging us poor ripped off International Users. If you are mentioning it here in your FAQ it must mean others are complaining too. I haven’t sought out other unhappy potential upgraders, but did put my own little rant here
I have contacted Frederick Van who is the product manager for LR, and asked why there is a 40% premium. I do hope that I get a response.
I would encourage others to do the same
Actually there is a bug. When upgrading your catalog it sets off the “include on export” option on all keywords… Pretty annoying. The folks at Adobe are working on it and will release a script
Started a thread here:
http://www.flickr.com/groups/adobe_lightroom/discuss/72157606449250284/ and I left a message on John Nack’s blog.
Thanks for your FAQ Matt. You might also like to look into the video streaming for LR2.0 Learning Centre. It takes about 5 – 10 minutes to download a single video everytime even on a very fast line.