Comments on: Plug-in Review – Nik's Viveza for Lightroom

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By: Steven

Steven — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:03:56 +0000

Hi Matt,

I have one for you I just loaded the installer for the whole suite of NIK plugins. Now I want to edit a photo in Silver Pro Efex and the plugins are no where to be found.

Any ideas?

By: Nigel Tufnel

Nigel Tufnel — Thu, 30 Apr 2009 01:33:58 +0000

Kevin Mullins Photography wrote:

“I’d love to see native plug-ins working in the LR interface too. My understanding, though, is that Adobe are reticent about offering developers this route as they are concerned about losing the totally non-destructive editing paradigm (which is key, and admirable of course).”

But isn’t that just the point? If you’re going to use a plugin/filter in LR, you are now forced by the nature of how Adobe exposes the architecture, to break that non-destructiveness. Ideally, it’d be non just that a filter’s tool work inside of LR, but that it’s right there in the side panel working on non-destructive data just like LR’s built-in tools are.

As a (hopefully temporary) half-way solution, I’d even be happier if it just creates that 16-bit TIF internally and invisibly (instead of having to create a copy for editing), but stores all the settings and keeps them linked to the master file. That’s my other big complaint about Nik and many other filters used in LR, you get one shot at doing what you want, but as soon as you’re done editing, there’s no going back except to start from scratch. Gone are all your adjustments and control points.

So, even though ideally you’d still be operating on RAW data directly, it’d make it a lot easier if these filters kind of simulated non-destructiveness, especially if you want to use the whole Nik suite. Let’s say you start with Dfine noise reduction, then B&W conversion with Silver Efex, then Sharpen Pro at the end. That’s a lot of image copies and a lot of work wasted if you want to go back and tweak something later. Since all the Nik filters operate on TIFs, there’s no reason why they shouldn’t be able to store the settings then dynamically turn them on or off anywhere in the chain (forcing an automatic re-render), or allow you to jump back in and make edits.

Bottom line is it’s really frustrating that we have this wonderful tool in Lightroom, and these wonderful Nik (and other) plug-ins, but using both together turns out to be a real PITA and a workflow-killer, when it just shouldn’t be that way. As it is right now, that’s all that stands between me shelling out $300 for the full Nik LR suite. As the author points out, this appears to squarely be Adobe’s fault and should be priority #1 for version 3.0.

Better yet, they should just buy Nik and integrate their tools into LR, I would gladly pay for that!

By: MCV

MCV — Fri, 13 Mar 2009 00:08:58 +0000

Hi Matt,
An important note regarding the Lightroom collection from Nik, it appears to be available only in the US and Canada, choosing a different country shows the collection is only availble for Aperture. Seems odd (and unfair), any ideas why this is so? In any case, something else to think about if you live elsewhere.

By: Tina Harden

Tina Harden — Thu, 12 Mar 2009 16:41:55 +0000

So I downloaded the trial and all I have to say is WOW! I’m having fun and talk about easy. Now I’m not overly proficient in PS or Lightroom but this so easy to use and would have a tremendously positive affect my workflow.

By: Andy Rea

Andy Rea — Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:16:44 +0000

NIK Software as a whole is an amazing product. Many that don’t have it should probably go ahead and INVEST in this wonderful little helper with a big impact on your final product. The other unfortunate side to plug-ins in LR is that many companies have not adopted te 64bit processing way of the future and if you have installed the 64bit version of LR you are…well out of luck! Not only would it be nice to see Adobe make it easier for developers to make fully compatible plug-ins to stay within the program, but it would AWESOME if these plug-in companies would begin incorporating 64bit version of their stuff with their software or as an optional download! Thanks Matt for all you great stuff! Keep it up!

By: Jason

Jason — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 23:00:38 +0000

Really, what would be ideal is if this all worked within LR non-destructively with RAW. Seems archaic to create a TIF copy.

$250 to edit non-destructively in LR and I’ll purchase it in a second!

By: Jim Patton

Jim Patton — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:13:57 +0000

Oops. I take it back. The Read Me file only mentions CS2 and CS3. However, it installed perfectly into CS4.

I am sorry for the confusion.

By: Jim Patton

Jim Patton — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:44:42 +0000

On one side, I am pleased that Viveza has both Lightroom and Photoshop versions that come together. On the other hand, I was really bummed when I downloaded the program and found that it does not work with CS4, only older versions of the Photoshop.

I am feeling like a got screwed on this one.

Do you know if there are plans to introduce a CS4 compatible?